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girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:17 pm
by Builder52
Ok I have a girder (ebay purchase )that i have and would like to figure out the frame rake and trail. when I read some of the posts it seams the frame is already figured out but I have not made the frame yet.I am going to make a low neck height frame. now my question is : what measurements are needed to figure out the frame? I have looked at Nero's post and have taken down some calculations he has made, for his and will measure mine in inches and post my findings.

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:07 pm
by Builder52
hmmm ?

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:01 pm
by TattooLeeRoy
As you may have gathered, thats not an easy place to start. Do you know what frame it was supposed to fit?

Start with a front tire, block the assembled front end at the height you want your neck. Measure the rake and trail, figure out what to do from there.

Thats a pretty crude way to do things, but its all I can think of to help.

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:04 pm
by TattooLeeRoy
Don't forget to keep the girder links level for set-up,

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:28 pm
by hansgoudzwaard
I know its not a girder but I believe this is what TattoLeeRroy means.

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Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:08 pm
by curt
thats a nice jig there

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:47 am
by hansgoudzwaard
Those are build log pictures by BarefootJerry. He used to post on the previous site to Choppercompendium. I haven't seen him since then.

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:46 am
by TattooLeeRoy
Yes, thats the idea. Glad it made sense to someone.

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:39 pm
by Builder52
TattooLeeRoy wrote:As you may have gathered, thats not an easy place to start. Do you know what frame it was supposed to fit?

Start with a front tire, block the assembled front end at the height you want your neck. Measure the rake and trail, figure out what to do from there.

Thats a pretty crude way to do things, but its all I can think of to help.
yes I gathered that, being from an automation background I have very little hesitation with doing things the hard way .

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:40 pm
by Builder52
TattooLeeRoy wrote:Don't forget to keep the girder links level for set-up,
level with the ground and lower frame rails, or paralell :think:

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:46 pm
by Builder52
hansgoudzwaard wrote:I know its not a girder but I believe this is what TattoLeeRroy means.

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Y know I have a frame jig and have never used it that way, damn good Id re. with a girder it needs to be design with a 1" load drop when you hook it up to the frame, motor combo so it will sit right. might compress the front end and simulate the load to get an accurate measurement. :think:

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:47 pm
by Builder52
thanks to all for replying and its def givin me some directions !!!

Re: girder rake and trail prior to frame manufacture

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:10 pm
by hansgoudzwaard
Builder52 wrote:[ might compress the front end and simulate the load to get an accurate measurement. :think:
You could let some air out of the tire to simulate(eq. to 1") if that was easier.